Wednesday, October 17, 2007

Antigone: Dialogue, Character, and Death


Dialogue helps reveal character. In The Catcher in the Rye, Holden's tone and his interior monologue help create a portrait of his lifestyle, his background, his wants, his fears, and his goals.

In dramatic works, dialogue is often the readers' only clue into understanding the character.

For your blog entry this week, I would like you to choose a line from the text that reveals something about the character of Antigone, Ismene or Creon (Only choose one).
What does that line show the reader? What insight do you get into the character?
Write down the line and write a few sentences about your understanding of the character.


Also, read Death Knocks by Woody Allen. This is a funny piece. Comment on what the dialogue reveals about the characters of Nat and Death. Also, to keep the conversation flowing, what themes or ideas do you see expressed in the work? Also, if you were to draw a character sketch of Death, what would he or she be like?

To help you understand Death Knocks, you may wish to familarize yourself with Gin Rummy.

The entry is due Friday October 26th.

41 comments:

Ngoc D. 4 said...

Antigone, “There it is, and now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor to you family.”
This line reveals Antigone to be an authoritative person. Her tone sounds definite, no wavering. She gets to the point and states the facts as it is, to be “a true sister, or a traitor”. Antigone is not those types of people who beat around the bushes. She knows what she is saying, and does not afraid to say it.

The dialogue reveals that Nat is those business type people, who always think ahead for the benefit of themselves. Also, Nat is not afraid of death. Even though he is facing Death himself, Nat acts casually and even jokes and plays Gin Rummy with Death. Knowing that he is about to die, Nat if “[Death] broke [his] drainpipe”. Nat is not the typical people who would scream their head off when they face Death.
Same with Death, he’s not the typical “Death” that we see on TV or read in books that are scary and stuff. Dead is just like a regular person, doing his job (and messing up at it) and got conned by a fifty-seven year old man.

If I were to draw a character sketch of Death, the person has to be a smooth talker so they can talk people to their death (sounds horrible huh, like those Sirens in the Odyssey). Anyways, I want it to be good-looking so people won’t get scared and be afraid to die.

Jeniffer M 2 said...

Antigone "It will not be the worst of deaths- death without honor"
I like this line because it shows that it's something that Antigone feels strongly about. I also like it because it shows how Antigone's character is wise.

As for, Death Knocks by Woody Allen, I thought it was really funny because all I could think about was what I'd do if that happened to me. The conversations shows that Death doesn't sound as evil as one would think he'd sound. It sounded like he was practically negotiating which I don't think is a symbol to death in real life because usually death will take a person by surprise. I really liked the play.

Consuelo T 2 said...

Antigone, "You may as you like since apparently the laws of the gods mean nothing to you"
This line shows that Antigone feels strongly about the topic of gods. Gods have importance to her, she values them. She seems to speak her mind, and her tone seems to be very firm
I really enjoyed reading Death Knocks by Woody Allen. From the dialogue, it shows that Deaths is sort of sarcastic and witty, and can�t be taken seriously. "[He] climbed up the drainpipe. [He] was trying to make a dramatic entrance..... [He] [figures] it's worth a shot". He's not what we would picture Death, like someone creepy, and scary. Nat appears to be a clam person. He doesn't freak out, or get scared when he sees Death, but thinks it's a prank. He even jokes around with Death, and plays gin rummy with him, and wins. This was an extremely funny play, I thought it was great.

Hillary D 2 said...

Antigone, “But I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime if holy…It is the dead, not the living, who make the longest demands…We die forever.” I think this quote shows Antigone’s loyalty to family, her bravery, and her understanding of the world. She is willing to risk her own life to respect another’s body by burial. She thinks things through and sets her mind to her final decision. She believes her doing is “holy” and is committed to fulfilling Polyneices’ demand.
Death Knocks is a great comedy about a man encountering “Death”. I think the theme or the overall idea of the story is: Life is a gamble, so is death. If that makes any sense at all =]
If I were to draw Death, I would draw an old, chubby man with gray hair. I would also give him a bald spot. He would look nice and relaxed, but would just like to get the job over with… And of course, he’d a have a black robe with a hood and holding a reaper. =]

Jillian D 2 said...

The quote I chose was “An enemy is an enemy, even dead.” (117). This shows us how Creon feels about Antigone’s brother that was a trader. It shows us that Creon can never forgive him. Creon isn’t a forgiving person, because throughout the story so far Creon hasn’t forgave anybody.

I agree with Ngoc, Nat seems that he would do anything to get ahead in the business world. Even though Nat isn’t afraid of death, he really shouldn’t be negotiating with it. Death should come suddenly, and I think its funny how he is playing Gin Rummy with Death and acting as it is a joke or a prank. I really thought this play was funny, and that Death never comes suddenly.

Death gives me the picture of like a reaper, but while Nat and him are playing gin rummy he is like rolling his eyes like "is this guy ever going to get the point?"

Chloe C 2 said...

Ismene- “Impossible things should not be tried at all.”
Ismene has no self-confidence and is a pessimist. She gives up easily. She won’t even attempt to try. I find it amusing that it contradicts the saying of “Nothing is impossible.” Ismene exaggerates. It is very possible to bury her brother. There just isn’t a high chance that she would get out alive.

The play was interesting. Death didn’t seem very “deathly” but he could blame it on the fact that it was his first job. And here he thought being the grim reaper was a good job. It was amusing to see Death trip and stumble his way through his job, mostly because we all have such a stoic image of Death. Nat, however, I didn’t like. He seems like one of those guys who think he is always right. He didn’t believe it was his time to die, and he cheated Death (or rather made a wager with Death).
I would draw Death as a bubbly girl sitting on the edge of a boat. (Remember your mythology, people. The river Styx.) As you are traveling upwards, she would read your personal files, pausing every so often to say “Naughty, Naughty… *giggle*” She would be wearing a dress in the fashion of Marie Antoinette (Let them eat cake!) and two black ribbons entwined through her hair, for a hint.
(I wouldn’t think of Death like that, but wouldn’t that be interesting?)

Cristina V 2 said...

Antigone tells Creon, “If I had left my brother lying in the death unburied, I should have suffered, now I do not. (70-72)” Burying a person at their death is said to leave them in peace. When Creon forbade anyone from burying Polyneices, denied him the chance of lying in peace. Antigone felt this was wrong and if her brother was not at peace then she wouldn’t be either. The consequences at hand did not stop Antigone from burying Polyneices and leaving them both in peace. When she told Creon what she had done she did not deny anything, because she was not afraid of him or the consequences she knew she must face. Antigone is strong and loyal to her family and puts the needs of other’s before her own.
In Death Knocks by Woody Allen, fifty-seven year old, Nat Ackerman is visited by Death. Nat was surprised and shocked when Death came knocking, then again who wouldn’t be. Nobody knows when their time is, if we did we would live every day of out lives to the fullest, but nobody really does that. Even though, he was surprised Nat really wasn’t afraid of death. However, if he wasn’t scared of death, why would he play rummy to but more time? And as for Death, he gives in too easily. I don’t think he likes his job very much because he didn’t put up much of an argument with Nat asking for more time.
If I were to sketch a picture of Death, I would make him/her look like an angel. Death should look like an angel because then people wouldn’t be so afraid of dying. If an angel came and told you that your time on Earth was up you wouldn’t look at it so much as dying, but as moving on.

Mr. Walsh said...

I like your chosen quotes from Antigone. Those just entering the discussion may wish to address the tone more directly.

For Death Knocks, what lines help you in your understanding of Death and Nat? Though they may be thinly drawn, there dialogue allows for us to see them as slightly more complex than an initial reading might garner.

Also, what is the theme of the piece? Remember, themes are debatable. So debate them!!!

I like your portraits of death. A giggling girl? How wonderfully disturbing!

sandy j 2 said...

Ismene-“And do what he has forbidden! We are only women, we cannot fight with men Antigone! The law is strong, we must give into the law.” This shows me that Ismene is not a strong person. She doesn’t even try and she’s already labeling herself as incapable. If men make women feel inferior to them, ismene would just shut her mouth and take it. She doesn’t stand up for her rights, and she’s going to let people trample all over her. Ismene is afraid that’s why she follows orders no matter what they are, and she never tries to speak against them.


A theme that I see is expressed in Death is pity. Death pitied Nat and that’s why he played cards with him, so he can live for twenty four hours more. I think the dialogue reveals that death is like a normal person and ironic to what people may think because, in the dialogue instead of making a dramatic or eerie entrance, he makes a funny one. He actually says that he was trying to make a dramatic entrance. He resembles a human because his feelings were hurt when Nat thought he was taller. If I were to draw a sketch of death, she’ll be sarcastic and silly just so she could resemble me. She’ll like to laugh a lot and she’ll also like to make smart remarks. She’ll be similar to the death by Woody Allen, because in my opinion he’s a loveable character.

Andy T. 4 said...

Creon, “Well, enjoy your sophisticated views, but if you don’t reveal to me who did this, you’ll just confirm how much your treasonous gains have made you suffer.” Creon made it a law so that no one could bury the ‘traitor’ Polyneices. When he was told by the guard that Polyneices was buried by someone and they didn’t see who it was, Creon was outraged and determined to find out who did this. He threatens the life of the guard that if he doesn’t find out who did this, he would consider him committing treason and selling himself for money to bury Polyneices. Creon claims he wants to “protect our state” yet he threatens his own people for their lives if they didn't find the person who committed this crime.

In the dialogue Death Knocks by Woody Allen, Death wasn’t intimidating at all. Nat wasn’t afraid of him and he makes fun of his appearance. Death is a clumsy person and seemed to be a joke when he fell through the windowsill. Nat seems pretty wise gambling for another day when he was supposed to leave that night.

Amir Q. 4 said...

Creon, “I would not stay silent if I saw disaster moving here against the citizens, a threat to their security. For anyone who acts against the state, its enemy, I’d never make my friend. For I know well our country is a ship which keeps us safe, and only when it sails its proper course do we make friends. These are the principles I’ll use in order to protect our state.” Creon is telling the public that he is looking out for them, that they should feel safe and that no harm will come to them as long as he is under control. Later on as the guard arrives to tell Creon that Polyneices has been buried and Creon threatens to “[Hang him] still alive [until] you confess to this gross, violent act.” Here we see Creon accuse and threaten someone of committing a crime with no evidence that this guard buried Polyneices. This act proves that Creon is a very greedy and deceptive person who wanted to become king because of the power and control he has over others and the fact that no-one can openly defy him without grave punishment of his choosing.

Nat is a very clever person; he has the ability to twist any event to his favor. He is presented with a very bad situation (Death knocking on his door) and turns it into his favor by tricking Death into giving him more time and at the rate he is going he could achieve immortality. This is most likely how he became successful in the dress manufacturing. Death is described as “[Having a] middle-aged [face] and [being] stark white. He is something like Nat in appearance”. The reason why Death may be at Nat’s door is that Nat may work “himself to death” (as given evidence by the facial description). Death seems to be confused, tired and even annoyed by his job and when he tries to have some fun, he is hurt.

Mr. Walsh said...

Amir, it is interesting that Death would not like this job. Why would Allen create Death like this?

Mat M. 4 said...

Creon says as he addresses the assembly “When he died you stood by his children, firm in loyalty. Now his sons have perished in a single day, killing each other with their own two hands, a double slaughter, stained with brother’s blood.” Creon stands by his values of two brothers who killed each other in battle should not be honored. Creon probably believes this because as a religious man, he knows Zeus himself would frown upon a brother’s rivalry.

In Death Knocks I agree with Andy that Death makes a joke of himself. In his first dialogue when he says he wanted to make a “dramatic entrance” it’s hard to take him serious for someone who is known to bring death and horror. A theme that I could think of is that death is inevitable. Death appears to be an uncoordinated person and he seems as if he has no idea what he is doing. But I guess a short story written by Woody Allen it would seem appropriate to put a comedic spin on a dark subject like this.

Jonathan C. 4 said...

"There it is, and now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor t o your family." This line from Antigone not only shows her courage but also her strong belief in family. Also, it shows that Antiogne is somewhat blind at what she says because she calls Isemene a traitor to the family if she does not help, but Creon is their uncle and Antigone would be a traitor if she defied the laws of her uncle. Therefore, she is also hypocritical.
The short narritive shows that Death is a calm person who has an easy life. By him/her wanting to make a dramatic entrance at the begining of the story shows that he/she enjoys having eyes on them. Almost like taking center stage. To me, Death would look like a skeleton with a blackened hood shirt that goes down to his ankles. He would also have that scythe that he is famous for and he would look more comical than scary.

laura b said...

Creon
“Stop now before what you’re about to say enrages me completely and reveals that you’re not only old but stupid, too.”
The line shows the reader that Creon has a condescending tone when he talks to people. The reader gets insight into the true Creon and sees that he can be mean by using the words old and stupid. The reader can also see that he is immature because he uses the words “:stupid’ and “old” . It is obvious that Creon has a temper that he is unable to control and once he looses his temper he is likely to verbally abuse the person his talking to. In addition the language that he uses shows a side of immaturity because rather than giving the guard respect because he is elderly he insults him and makes fun of something that he cant change.

I thought that Death Knocks by Woody Alan was weird and funny at the same time. While I was reading it I would put myself in his shoes and I thought how would I react? I think I wouldn’t be so calm about it like Nat was. I would probably have a break down if Death ever came up to me because we think of death not having a face and it happens unpredictable and we would never expect Death to confront us.
If I were to draw a character sketch of Death I would draw a common every day guy because death is part of life and every one experiences and every one will have to face it.

nashally t 2 said...

Ismene "But can you do it? I say that you cannot."
Antigone "Very well: when my strength gives out, i shall do no more."

In this line it shows the reader that Anitgone would do anything that she can do until she can't do it anymore. This tells us that she's very strong and isnt afraid of doing anything. Antigone is brave enough to go for what she believes and follow through with it without thinking about what can happen to her in the end.

In "Death Knocks" by Woody Allen, what the dialouge reveals about the characters is that both are kind of smilar in some ways/ Also, eventhough Nat is basically dealing with his own death they both see it almost as nothing. Death just seems like another friend and sort of joking around with Nat's death. If it was actually death, they would have gotten straight to it but they end up playing a game of Gin Rummy and extend his time to go for the next day. The ideas I see in this work is that basically death can be cheated if you play the right cards. I think Death would look like a very pale skeleton with a big black cape.

nashally t 2 said...

Ismene "But can you do it? I say that you cannot."
Antigone "Very well: when my strength gives out, i shall do no more."

In this line it shows the reader that Anitgone would do anything that she can do until she can't do it anymore. This tells us that she's very strong and isnt afraid of doing anything. Antigone is brave enough to go for what she believes and follow through with it without thinking about what can happen to her in the end.

In "Death Knocks" by Woody Allen, what the dialouge reveals about the characters is that both are kind of smilar in some ways/ Also, eventhough Nat is basically dealing with his own death they both see it almost as nothing. Death just seems like another friend and sort of joking around with Nat's death. If it was actually death, they would have gotten straight to it but they end up playing a game of Gin Rummy and extend his time to go for the next day. The ideas I see in this work is that basically death can be cheated if you play the right cards. I think Death would look like a very pale skeleton with a big black cape.

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Marissa G 4 said...

In the prologue we learn a lot about the characters already. When talking to Ismene Antigone said “And now you can prove what you are: a true sister, or a traitor to your family” (P750). Already in the prologue this shows that Antigone is a very strong women. This also shows that she is very determined to get what she wants done no matter what she has to do, like in this quote she is making Ismene feel guilty, so that she can get what she wants done.

Death is a funny character, I mean he is death. I always pictured death as mean person not a person who would agree to sit down wit you and play cards. I also pictured him as a cold person without a personally, but this death is funny and sarcastic. The first impression of Nat is that he is a very business type person. He was reading the newspaper alone in bed at midnight. Nat bet on his life literally for one extra day. My only wonder at the end of the play was now that Nat has that one extra day what will he do with the next twenty-four hours.

If I were to sketch a picture of Death he would look like Nat but whiter. He would look like someone on Halloween with a black robe and white face paint. Death is the person that there going to get. Death is the person from the future the dead version of you.

Trang T 2 said...

I don’t really remember the quote exactly but it is said by Ismene: “What I’m going to do without you” Ismene has now accepted Antigone’s point of view. She asks what her life would be without her sister. Antigone seems like rejecting Ismene’s love. She replies by telling her to ask Creon, she calls Ismene “A friend who loves in words.” Along the story, it seems like we, the audience always have sympathies for Antigone. However, I think this isn’t fair for Ismene and can not be one sided. There’s a conflict within Antigone’s point of view. It shows us Antigone’s loyalty to her family but vice versa, she expresses her hatred to her sister. And Ismene’s last words in the novel demonstrate her love to Antigone. She performed her acts alone without Ismene sharing the punishment.
After reading the novel Deadlocks by Woody Allen, I realized that it’s like a comic book. Throughout their conversation, I think that Nat is a type of man that has a really good temper. He knows how to behave and act calmly with harsh situations. When he was facing Death, he asked who Death was and what he wanted without Nat being nervous. We can see that Death is a normal person with nice personalities. They play gin gummy together and share lovely moments throughout the game. And if im about to draw Death, since he’s death so im guessing I will draw a friendly skeleton…

Martin D 2 said...

Creon, “And the man who dared do this?” This quote suggests that Creon is a sexist. He thinks that it must have been a man who committed the crime, and not a woman, in which there was no way for them to do such a thing. It also illustrates inequality between the rights of the men and women.

I agree that “Death Knocks,” by Woody Allen, was funny. The two of them were just conversing like friends would and playing a card game, which sort of distracted Death from what he was there to do. I agree with Andy about how clumsy death is, especially since he is supposedly the “Grim Reaper.” I also agree with Ngoc on the fact that Nat wasn’t even the least bit afraid or intimidated when Death showed up, but instead criticizes the way he looks. I think that the theme of this play is that death isn’t what you think it is. If I were to sketch Death, s/he would be something like a shape-shifter, who could be anyone or anything, which keeps his/her identity a secret and would just be like anyone else and living among us.

Jessica F 2 said...

“We ran and took her at once. She was not afraid, not even when we charged her with what she had done. She denied nothing.” (line 40-44 of scene 2)
This line is about Antigone and it shows that she stands by her family. She is also a very strong person. She isn’t afraid of anything. She sticks right by her rights no matter what.

I agree with Consuelo, when she said Death is witty and can’t be taken seriously. He just seems like a fun person. It’s someone who you think would be fun to hang around with. Nat is more quiet and relaxed. I thought it was a funny play.

Mr. Walsh said...

Watch your writing and proofread your comments. I noticed some odd lines in your writing - "gin gummy" "deathlocks".

I find it interesting that many of you are looking at death as either River of Styx-esque or Halloweeny. Consider Allen's picture of Death and what he is trying to say about him/her/it? Many of you already have begun to discuss this.

I think Jonathan's point about an egotistical death to something to explore. Why would Death want to be the center of your life?

Also, what does Nat say about Death in the end? This holds weight. It may require you to look up a word in Yiddish.

Going forward, and perhaps with more seriousness, what is Sophocles saying about Death in Antigone?

Steven E. 4 said...

Creon- “No one can tolerate what you’ve just said, when you claim gods might care about this corpse”. This line shows that the only opinion that Creon cares about is his own. Creon might not have liked Polyneices, but other people in the city might have. Even the gods might have liked him, but Creon only cares about what he thinks.

To me Nat seems like kind of a dumb guy. He sees death come in and he asks him four times whom he is, I don’t think it would be that hard to figure out. Then he says, “What do you want with me”? I think it would be common sense what death wants. Death just seems like a regular guy. When I picture death, I think of an evil guy who’s trying to kill you, not a guy who climbs up someone’s drainpipe, hurts himself, then asks for a glass of water.

Katherine Z 4 said...

The line I choose in Antigone is: “To forgive me, but I am helpless: I must yield to those in authority. And I think it is dangerous business to be always meddling” (750). This quote shows the personality of Ismene, she’s like the complete opposite of her sister Antigone. While Antigone is rash, always doing things without considering the consequences, Ismeme is very careful. She doesn’t think that she alone, with her sister have the power to do anything, much less bury Polynices, and in turn defy Creon’s rule. Ismeme thinks that she doesn’t have the power to do anything, she has to listen to those in charge, it makes her sound like a servant, who always has to obey their master.

At first when I started reading the short story “Death Knock” I had a picture in my mind, where this really creepy soul collector like grim reaper is going to come and collect someone’s soul. However, after reading it, I found it to be a humorous story instead, the storyline is suppose to be scary, but the way the author portrays Nat and Death transform this story into a funny story instead. It was funny when Death first appears, his entrance was supposed to be dramatic, but instead he tripped and made a mess of himself. When he met Nat, he kept on asking for water to drink, it seems to show that he’s trying to distract Nat, he doesn’t want to scare the poor guy away. He even let Nat negotiate him into playing a game of gin rimmy. The attitude and behavior of Death is complete opposite of what I had in my mind, of a person who’s suppose to be taking people to their next live.

One of the themes I see in this story is: If one is in a desperate situation, the brain will always find a way to escape.” Even though Nat is scared that he’s going to die, he’s still trying to find ways out of this, even if it’s only for 24 hours. He tries to persuade Death to play gin rimmy with him. At first Death refused, but after a lot talking back and forth, of Nat trying to persuade Death by saying that he’s just afraid that he’s going to lose.

It’s interesting how the title of this book is “Death Knocks” but actually Death doesn’t actually knock, rather he climbs through the window instead. He doesn’t want to appear in the normal fashion by ringing a doorbell; he wants to make things more dramatic and interesting. If I were to picture Death, I think s/he would have to be someone, like a friend or family member of the person that they’re going to take to death. This way that person wouldn’t be scared to go; maybe they’ll be relief that it’s someone they missed for a long time.

Victoria P. 4 said...

“And now you can prove what you are: a true sister, or a traitor to your family” Antigone is the character who says this. Her character is portrayed to be a loyal and loving person. She is being very demanding towards her sister Ismene. Although she is being demanding towards Ismene she is only worried about right and wrong and how her other brother should have a burial just like her the other brother. This reflects off of her personality by showing she will not take no for an answer, and will be faithful to the people she loves.


Death seemed to be funny character who Nat was not taking very seriously. Nat made fun of the way Death looked and he did not seem to take inconsideration the fact that he was facing a close death. The way I pictured Death was just in a black cape, but a very regular person inside. I agree with Laura that he would seem like a typical man because of how regular death is.

Jillann C 2 said...

In the play, Antigone, Ismene and Antigone have different views of abiding by the law. In Ismene’s case, she tries to follow all the laws and to get into as less trouble as usual. During the first act, Ismene states, “I’m not disrespecting them. But I can’t act/ against the state. That’s not in my nature.” By Ismene telling this to Antigone, the reader is shown that Ismene likes to obey the law and is predictable in her every-day life style. She differs greatly from her sister in this factor because Antigone is quite spontaneous since she wants to burry their brother, Polyneices.

In the piece, “Death Knocks” the two characters in the play are Nat and Death. Nat is a 57-year-old man who is a wealthy dress designer. One afternoon when he is at home alone, Death comes to his house and tells him that it is time. Nat makes a deal that if the two play Gin Rummy and he wins, then Nat gets an extra day to live, but if Death wins, he gets to take Nat right away with no objection. As they are playing, Nat asks Death if he would like to knock. Death refuses and says he never said he was ready to knock. In other words, in my opinion, Nat is actually asking Death if he is ready to leave him alone and to not take hid life. However when Death refuses to knock, he is actually implying that he isn’t going to leave Nat alone and will keep trying to take his life.

If I had to imagine Death, I’d see him as a middle-aged man who is so white that it looks like he’s never seen daylight before. He is dressed in all black and walks around depressed as if he has nothing to live for, which makes sense because he is death. I would also imagine the Death would never smile, use sarcasm frequently, and speak in an emotionless voice.

Herman T 2 said...

I chose the line where Antigone said, “There it is, and now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor to you family.” When Antigone said this, she revealed herself as a person who is very loving to her family and will do anything that pleases them. In this line Antigone asked Ismene to come and bury Polyneices, but Ismene refuses. Antigone strikes me as a very courageous girl and she will stop at nothing to fulfill her desires. When Antigone said the line to Ismene there is a sense of blackmail. It isn’t really blackmail, but Antigone is building pressure on Ismene to help her, but Ismene refuses. Antigone is like a rock because when she makes a decision she doesn’t withdraw it.

“Death Knocks” by Woody Allen is simply a marvelous piece of literature. I found it amusing, the way Nat interacts with Death. Nat strikes me as a man with a passion for work and business. After the results of their game, gin rummy, Nat points out that Death owes him money. This made me laugh because if Death showed up at your door and you gambled your life in a game of Gin Rummy and won, then why would you want to point out the fact that he owes you money? Nat wasn’t even scared of Death; he was rather irritated by Death. Nat is more attached to his belongings than his own life because Death said that he had fell on his drainpipe and Nat was asking questions about the drainpipe. Nat and Death have some sort of relations I assume because after reading it twice I get the message that Nat and Death are the same person but just different. Death is not as determined as Nat. I am just getting all these thoughts about the relationship between Death and Nat, but sadly they are in chaos.

I like the way that Death is portrayed in “Death Knocks”, but I have a different image of Death. I have a slight fondness for Chloe’s image of Death. I’ve thought of it before and I thought Death was a figure clad in a black robe that holds a scythe. Now, after reading through many different comments on Death’s look, I changed my image of Death. If I were to sketch a picture of Death, it would be of a little pale girl. She would appear right before you and smile and you would have flashbacks of your most memorable moments and they shatter before your eyes like glass frames. Then you would die peacefully when you are surrounded by darkness.

Lol. So depressing =D

casey w. 4 said...

“You are unwise but a loyal friend indeed to those who love you” (pg.753) When Ismene says this to her sister Antigone it doesn’t just reveal something about Antigone’s character but it also reveals something about Ismene’s. Ismene sounds like she wishes she was more like her sister. She wants to a loyal friend to her brothers but she is not strong enough. Ismene just is not brave enough to stick up for what she believes in but Antigone can.

In Death Knocks by Woody Allen Death wants to make a dramatic entrance for Nat but falls short. Then he looses in rummy. He sort of reveals a character as sort of a failure in life. Where as Nat is the opposite. “I make a beautiful dollar. I sent my two kids through college. One is in advertising, the other's married. I got my own home. I drive a Chrysler. My wife has whatever she wants. Maids, mink coat, vacations.” Nat is portrayed as a success story. He not only has a great life set up for him in his family but he also beats death in rummy and receives an extra day to live. Before reading this story I would have drawn death as a scary black thing but after reading this short story my look on death is different. I would draw death as a gentle looking person who comes off innocent. This way it sort of tricks another person by deaths appearance by coming off on something it is not.

Malik B. 4 said...

Creon- “For anyone who acts against the state, its enemy, I’d never make my friend.”
Creon appears to be loyal to his people and his empire. Its also apparent that Creon opposes anyone who rebels against their society. He addresses the situation with Polyneices and Eteocles and vows that selfish behavior will not be tolerated. Polyneices wanted to gain control of the thrown going against what was already agreed between the brothers. Creon’s devotion and intolerance of anything less from his citizens is shown through his some-what threatening monologue. After Creon’s speech its understandable that Ismene doesn’t want to challenge the law.

Nat- “Now, wait a minute. I need time. I'm not ready to go.”
Nat seems to regret not doing certain things in his life. As death catches him by surprise he is left thinking there is so much more left to do in his or even redo if he had the chance to. Nat feels as though his life is incomplete and is desperate to experience any of it again.

Thanh N. 4 said...

Antigone, “There it is, and now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor to you family.”

This line shows how Antigone is serious about her family matters. She probably doesn’t like the idea of having a family choosing whether to help them or not because to her, it should be an absolute yes. Antigone is the type of person who would say things to put another in a hard position. It’s not her fault for doing it, but it makes her look like she’s serious about being there for the family, which Ismene isn’t.

In the play, the dialogue reveals what type of person Nat and Death are. Nat comes off as a sly person. He will always find his way to get what he wants. Death on the other hand, is gullible and will take any negotiation. When they played Gin Rummy, Death lost, and Nat has another day to live. If Death didn’t bother to take the challenge, he would be done with his job already.

If I was to draw a sketch of Death, it would look like a celebrity I’m obsessed with. Even though it sounds weird having your favorite celebrity killing you, it would still be cool because you’ve finally got the chance to see them before you die. Also, when you die, it would be pleasant because your dream has come true, if it was your dream to see that celebrity.

::HebaK:: 4 said...

Antigone: " but i will bury him ; and if i must die , I say that this crime is holy: I shall lie down with him in death, and i shall be as a door to him as he to me. "

Antigone seems stron willed. She seems to want accomplish whatever sh eputs her mind too. Antigone sees the good in people, and does not let other people put her down. She knows that her brother was a good person adn a loyal brother. He deserves to be buried with respect too. She is a loyal sister.

DEATH: What is wrong with you? You see the black costume and the whitened face?

When i first think of death i tihnk i frightning, gloomy, and coldness. This death is sarcastic, lazy, tireful. the quote shows that the character doesnt want to be doing his job. Death wants to finish his requirement.

Kim C 2 said...

“But whoever shows by world and deed that—he is on the side of the state— he shall have my respect while he is living and my reverence when he is dead.” This quote shows that his country, state, or side holds an absolute importance to Creon. It shows how Creon cares more about the world than anything else. If people are on his side, then those people earn his respect, but instead, if they were on his opposing side, then they may need to suffer consequences. Being on the opposite side of Creon is like declaring war to him. These people who are not on Creon’s side are like traitors who deserve nothing but death.

Elaine T 4 said...

Antigone: "There it is, and now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor t o your family." This line from Antigone shows how much family and loyalty means to Antigone. Antigone wants her sister Ismene to go and bury her brother with her so Polyneices can finally rest in peace. If Ismene doesn’t bury Polyneices with Antigone, she’d be considered a traitor in Antigone’s eyes. Antigone wants to be assured that Ismene is loyal to her and to their dead brother, Polyneices.

In Death Knocks by Woody Alan, the short story was very funny and amusing. If I was in Nat’s shoes, I’d be scared to and of Death. I mean, your Death is literally approaching you and Nat just offered to play Gin Rummy with him. If I was Nat, I’d run away seeing how clumsy Death was. I would never want to meet my own death, face to face. I rather have death hit me and not know it because if I did know that I were to die like Nat, I’d start thinking about the things that I have and haven’t done in life; I might die with regrets then. Moreover, I’d expect Death to be unpredicted because if everyone knew how they were going to die, everyone would find ways to avoid it and then they‘d live forever. But overall I liked that story because it was amusing.

Moreover, I agree with Malik when he’s talking about how Nat isn’t ready to go and leave the real world. I also think that Nat is regretting something because when death falls in through his window, he’s taken aback and surprised. Throughout the whole dialogue and story, Nat keeps trying to buy or “win” time. By play Gin Rummy, he’s slowly winning more and more time. Toward the end, Nat talks about how he could probably win “extra weeks, months and maybe years,” and by being able to win more time before death and knowing his death, Nat can almost cheat death and live the way he wants to without any regrets.

Ashley N. 4 said...

“And now you can prove what you are: a true sister, or a traitor to your family”
Antignoe is shown, in this quote as a very strong-willed even hot-headed type of person. She is very loyal to her family, and kind of makes a lot of rash choices.

If I were to draw Death, it'd be kind of hard, because 1. I can't draw and 2. Death probably has several different appearences.
For people who are scared of death, Death might appear as a monstrosity, whereas people who are willing to accept their fate, Death would appear to them as a serene person.
And as for people who don't expect their death, such as Nat, Death seems to be an average person.

DAvid T 2 said...

Creon (28-31): There’s nothing in the world so demoralizing as money. Down go your cities, homes gone, honest hearts corrupted, crookedness of all kinds, and all for money!
This shows that Creon is someone who hates money and possibly the rich. He hates money because it makes people betray others and corrupts them. I bet he believes that most of the evil in the world is because of money. But, if he thinks that money is so evil, why does he have so much money? Creon is royal. And as king, doesn’t he have a lot of money? He has the most money out of everyone in the country. So, by his own philosophy, he’s the most corrupted one in town.
In Death Knocks by Woody Alan, I found it amusing the way Nat thinks Death was just a big joke. Nat seems to be one of those guys who takes life simply and thinks he can take the easy road out. When Death comes to take Nat away, he refuses and makes a fool out of Death and tries to gamble with him. Through Nat, I get a feeling that you should live out a relaxed life and if you play your cards right, you can even cheat Death.
If I ever saw Death, I really don’t know what I’d see. If I have something that is still important to me in life, I would probably be reluctant to go and I would see death as some evil thing trying to snatch me away from paradise. I would try to escape Death whenever I got the chance. But, if I really don’t have anything left in the world I would probably see Death as my one way ticket up to paradise. I would finally be able to join the people I love and before that though, I would joke round with Death like the way Nat did and Death would probably be so fed up with me he wouldn’t want to be near me anymore.

henry d:2 said...

“There it is, and now you can prove what you are: A true sister, or a traitor to you family.”
You could feel how stubborn Antigone is for she is unable to understand the limits placed on her, for she would even give her life just to bury her brother. She shows dedication towards this goal by even putting other family members in line.
Many themes pops into mind when reading the play like any situation can be relived with humor in this case death. Death is joked upon and he is shown to be an average guy, by laughing at him we get a upper hand on fear. Death is brought to a human level playing a gin game and losing, clumsily climbing the bedroom window, and is even called a schlep by Nat. By bringing him to a human level, Death is able to be defeated. Nat unable to recognize the power of Death, caused him to believe Death had no power over him.

jimmy v. 2 said...

Antigone : All these men here would praise me were their lips not frozen shut with fear of you. And the good fortune of kings licensed to say and do whatever they please!

This line shows the reader that Antigone isn't intimidated by Creon's power & position. She isn't afraid to say what she sees. The insight that we get to see of Antigone is that shes tough and she doesn't like it when people are immoral. She didn't approve of Polynieces not having a burial and she doesn't approve of Creon scaring his people to establish authority. Her righteous persona forces her to expose this with her words and actions.

Death Knocks by Woody Allen was okay. Death was kind of unprofessional and he got played by Nat. The whole time Nat seemed like he was trying to find about what would happen when he died. Over the course of the story it was like Nat was more and more interested in the process to and after death while Death was trying not to think about it.

Lynn T. 4 said...

ANTIGONE
“Creon is not strong enough to stand in my way”.

When she says this her tone is proud, and very sure of herself. Antigone is strong and she is not afriad to go after what she wants. She is loyal to her brother, despite whether it is right or wrong.


NAT: What are you talking about? I make a beautiful dollar. I sent my two kids through college. One is in advertising, the other's married. I got my own home. I drive a Chrysler. My wife has whatever she wants. Maids, mink coat, vacations. Right now she's at the Eden Roc. Fifty dollars a day because she wants to be near her sister. I'm suppose to join her next week, so what do you think I am -- some guy off the street?
Nat's tone is defensive. When Nat makes remarks about Death, Death does not say anything, but when Death makes remarks about Nat, he gets defensive. Nat is a game player, and I tnk money is important to him. He thinks that he needs money to prove himself.

I would draw DEATH as old, thin, frail and wrinkly, and has long gray hair. He has a cane in one hand, and he is wearing a big, long black robe.

Mr. Walsh said...

Good job everyone. This thread is now closed.

Jess L 2 said...

i know you said that this thread is closed, and that im late posting, but hopefully not too late for some credit =/


"Ah the good fortune of kings, liscensed to say and do whatever they please." - Antigone.

This reveals to me a lot about the character of Antigone. I can tell that she is very rebellious already, because she says this directly to the king to mock him. She has more courage than most people if she has the guts to say this to his face, so you can tell she is very brave too.

And I think Death Knocks was a very interesting story. I liked the character of Death, but I did not like Nat. He seemed like an arrogant workaholic who had no real human characteristics and was emotionless. Death was great though, he reminded me of a clumsy teenager who just got their first job, but who was horribly messing it up. It added quite a bit of comedy into this, like he didn't take his job seriously at all, in contrast to our version of the grim reaper, who is just merciless.