Monday, November 26, 2007

Animal Farm: What's your opinion about government?











The novel Animal Farm deals with our understanding of government and rule. For this blog, I want you to begin to formulate your own opinion about government.

I want to return to the idea of a discussion blog. Remember, sarcasm and put-downs are not tolerated. However, I do encourage debate and you should always address one another formally, i.e. "Tony said in his response..., but I feel that...".

You should refer to the book and other sources (history class, newspaper, etc.) in responding to the following questions. You may answer them all, or only some.
Remember, keep your answers brief. This is discussion based. People want to read your response and respond to you. You are encouraged to post more than once.

1) What should the government's role be in people lives? Should the government pay for all services (healthcare, education, etc.) or are those things individual responsibilities?
2) When in comes to moral issues (religion, speech, etc.), what should be the government's position? Are there times when the government should get involved or not get involved?
3) Are the advantages or disadvantages in having a class system? What would it be like if we all were the same "class"?
4) Lastly, follow this link and answer the questions: Campaign 2008 What questions do you have now? Look up information about your top candidate. Were you surprised/shocked? Did you even hear of the person running?


Blog is due Monday December 3rd.

55 comments:

Jeniffer M 2 said...

Honestly, I do not know that much about what the government does. All I know about the government is that we must pay them taxes and they provide us with schools and police officers and health. I do think that they should pay for some things like health because those who have financial difficulties can't "afford to get sick". An advantage of having classes could be that the higher class has to pay more taxes (though I'm not sure there's that big of a difference) and therefore we get more money into the government.
As for the candidate match game, I had no idea that there were so many candidates! If I were allowed to vote, I thought I'd end up voting for Barack Obama because he wanted to improve health insurance. After taking the quiz, my results were that my first choice would be Rudi Guilliani, whom I hear a lot of on the radio. I was very surprised by my second closest choice, who was Hilary Clinton. This was a shock to me because I never thought I'd vote for her for religious reasons. Nevertheless, this whole blog makes me realize one thing. I wish I could vote.

Amir Q. 4 said...

Governments exist to serve the people; they are there to maintain peace and order within a country. A government should be responsible for the well-being of its people, therefore healthcare; education, etc. should be the government’s responsibility and should be government funded. In the matter of moral issues, the government should take a nonintervention stance. The people should have the right to choose what religion, etc. is right for them and not the government. Likewise other freedoms, such as speech, should be given to all. The only time that governments should intervene in such matters are when these freedoms are abused (such as people trying to force their religion onto others unwillingly and when freedom of speech turns into violent and hateful speech) and that is when the government should step in and maintain peace. The social class system is a double edged sword; it allows freedoms by itself and complicates matters. In a system where classes exist, there exists opportunity for people to work their way up or down. It allows the ability for individuals to choose their own carriers and callings in life, which do not exist in a non-class system. In a system devoid of any classes, people are all equal, there are no opportunities as you are told what you will do and where you will go, days repeat and become repetitive as you are stuck in an infinite loop where there is no change.

This quiz informed me that I favored Dennis Kucinich, whom I already favored; there was no surprise in this. Dennis’ views on current issues as well as his views of the role of the president make him the only candidate, in my opinion, to be elected president. He openly expresses his thoughts on the issues and provides a plethora of evidence that makes it almost impossible to doubt him. He deeply cares about this country and its future and is the only person fit for the white house (in my opinion).

Chloe C 2 said...

I think that since the government is making us pay taxes, we should be entitled to the effects of the taxes i.e. healthcare, education, and safety. If, for some odd reason, we didn’t have to pay taxes, then the government would owe us nothing. In that case, I would expect we would have to pay for such luxuries, if we could afford it. I believe moral issues should be left to the people. Our morals are the deciding factor. But when the issues get violent or abused, I have to side with Amir and say that the government has a responsibility to keep the peace and intervene. I think that the class system is created by the people. It’s not that someone randomly decided that America should have a class system. We tend to socialize with people within our own group, thereby creating these “classes”. I suppose intelligence contributes to income, which, in turn, decides what class you are in. If we were all in the same class, we wouldn’t have anybody to envy. Class often changes someone’s perception. If someone is smart, people would have to face the truth and not hide behind the excuse of “He bought it with his money.”
I took the quiz very seriously, thinking of all the angles. I thought about the people’s needs, the government’s needs, the available resources, and the effectiveness of the tactic. I also thought like a politician, picking the options that would make the most people happy. I ended up with Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, in that order. I had no idea who Chris was but was familiar with the other two names. I was disappointed with myself; I didn’t like the idea that my thoughts were so mainstream. I retook the quiz ignoring all the angles, and in my opinion, being completely selfish (that is looking for only what I wanted), and came up with Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and John Edwards. I only knew John Edwards. I was quite pleased with myself.
I have some complaints about the quiz. When I first took it, some of the choices were similar. That is, if another candidate had an answer I approved of, they were still given one bar. This may have lowered their chances of being my candidate significantly. Not that it matters anyway. I can’t vote.

Marissa G 4 said...

I really never took an interest in the government so I don't really know what there position is on subject.My answer to what position should government have in things like religion and speech, I think that they should only get involved if the speech or religion is causing harm or an ufroar to society.If it is having no effect then why stop it it is it causeing no harm.

(i kept is short)

Ngoc D. 4 said...

Government is a big topic to cover. History books are mostly filled with government issues. What I think is that the government should pay for services such as health, education, and etc. for those who REALLY need them because their income is too little. I know that there are people who live off the government when they are capable of providing for themselves. Those people take away the money that should go to the people that REALLY need them. How to check who is lying and who is not? I don't know, that's why we have the government for. I think I'm going off topic. Okay,I agree with Chloe about how people who are in the same class are less envious of others because they are the same. I don't think the class system is a great thing, but it's there and no one can do anything about it. Different class have different moral values, and they don't go together, like two different religions. And when they are together, it'll just create arguments.

Jonathan C. 4 said...

The goverment is higher necesary, but unfair power. The government should definatly be responsible for our healthcare, education, and etc.. Part of the money that we earn goes to them, so it's only fair that they have to give back. Sure we live here but there would not be any need for government if there were no people here. Therefore, they need us as much as we need them. The government should have no part in religous matters because it needs to remain unbias so that they can be as fair as possible. This is controversal though, because the government is not fair to all people, it only applies to ordinary people. For example, the president, I bet he is able to bend the law like rubber as long as no one finds out. There is definatly no way there could ever be equality among all people. That would cause chaos as long as people still had their own personality. They would think in their own way, act in their own way. Then a law enforcement would be needed to keep order, and that would recreate a government. There is absolutely no way to get rid of prejudice and unequality in the world unless people magically stopped having their own thoughts and beliefs. Now, the candidate game. I got three people as my top candidate and I have no clue who they are. I had no idea there were so many candidates out there. Who knows, maybe one of them could actually change something for once.

Consuelo T 2 said...

I am not really interested in politics or government, so I’m oblivious about it. So much of what I write might not be right. However I do think that the government should have a part in paying for some services, but not all. We pay taxes and that money should go into paying for healthcare, and education. The government should intervene when people can not pay for things, such as healthcare. I think the government should help the people since they are paying taxes.
When I took the quiz I ended up with Chris Dodd, Mike Gravel, and Hilary Clinton. I wasn’t shocked, or affected by it, since I don’t really have a point of view about the government. Since I don’t know very much about it, nor am I interested in it I think my opinion isn’t very significant. Out of the 20 candidates on the quiz, I knew about five of them. I knew who Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, and Mitt Romney. While taking the test it had question about things I did not know about. I would research the things I did not know about to have a better grasp of them. I did not however look up the any of the candidates. Although I do think I need to educate myself about politics and government more.

Mr. Walsh said...

I think going forward a question we should explore is "what is government?"

I appreciate the honesty and those of you who say you are unsure about the government's role and your own personal lack of clarity about government or politics.

Keep it up.

I encourage you all to make sure you mention the candidate you came up with it. I think it is interesting.

Belinda L 4 said...

I am not really interested in government and neither have I ever cared about what happen. But I do believe that most people will agree whith Jonathan and the ones above that the government should provide healthcare, education and other things. I also believe that moral issues should be kept to the individuals. I mean if we go back in history, most of the people who came to the colonies were trying to get religious freedom, is it not what the US has fought for throghout history. It would be stupid for the government to suddenly step in and say that they had control of moral issues when the early governments were fighting for religious freedom. In my opinion, I disagree with Ngoc about the class system. I believe that it is essential and that everyone benefits from it in some way or another. The higher class does have money and probably has to pay more taxes but they will be living the way they want. The middle class has just enough to support themselves but can still obtain a little help from the government when they need it. The lower class will probably get the most help from the government but they are still able to survive. I believe that everyone is where they are for a reason. Maybe some studied and went to college and worked hard, while others did not really care about school and probably eventually dropped out. I believe this is the reason for class, those who work to get where they are, or for the wealthy. their parents worked to get a better life, while others made a choice that led them to where they are now. I also believe that immigrants are the same, if they worked hard instead of telling themselves that they can't speak english and that they will never learn, there are other ways like living in a community where it is more populated with the same religion, or going to immigrant schools to learn a skill like hair or nail. There are many options and those who take advantage of them will suceed while the others will not. I think the only exception will be soliders who are hurt because of war, or anything relating to government. Then in a case like that, the government should be paying for the expenses that they are not able to cover themselves, because if they are not hurt, then they will be able to work, and will be able to live the way they want, but because they got injured while serving the government, they should not be held responsible. Again, I am not interested in government or politics, these issues that are troubling the US today will be solved one way or another, some ways might be better and some not as good but it will still work out. ALso, there is never a candidate in which you completely agree on so i never really payed attention to politics or government. Anyway, from the quiz my first three matches came out to be Dennis Kucinich, Barak Obama, and Mitt Romney. THis is neither surprising or expected because even though I heard these names before, I know nothing about any of the candidates.

Aaron G 2 said...

I do have some views on the government yet they are not set in stone because I don’t know exactly how it is in the real world. I think education should be free and health care should be regulated by the government to make it affordable for everyone.
I agree with Marissa g government should not really interfere with religion or free speech but if it causes harm to a person then the government should step in.
There are always advantages and disadvantages in everything including social class. But if there were no social class or they were all the same the world would be boring. Also the people that worked hard for money would get gypped. Yet the slackers that don’t do anything will get money for no reason. These reasons should keep the social classes.
When I took the quiz my candidates were Hilary Clinton, John Edwards, and Dennis Kucinich. I don’t really care much about that since I dint fully understand al of the questions. I have heard of Clinton and Edwards but not Kucinich. I am shock that my top candidate is Clinton since she is the only woman in the race.

Katherine Z 4 said...

A government in my opinion should be a body of people that works for the benefit of the people. Like what Jen or Consuelo said, I’m not too familiar about government or how they work. However, since the people pay taxes to them, they should obviously do something that will benefit to us. For example healthcare they have Mass Health for the people that couldn’t afford to pay for the medications or checkups. Government also provide for the education, to make sure that everyone has or could receive an education no matter how poor or rich they are, everyone should receive an opportunity. I don’t think government should control religion, like what religion people could or could not belong to.

For my candidate game I got Mitt Romey, Chris Dodd, and Rudy Giuliani, out of the three of them the only one I’ve never heard of is Chris Dodd. Mitt Romey is the one guy that I’ve always seen on TV or heard about in the radio, most of his views on the political in my opinion are on target, some though I slightly disagree.

Mat M. 4 said...

When it comes to government, my positions Is that the people make the government what it is and they should always have a say in how it is run. Essentially I strongly believe in democracy however I recognize some flaws within in it. I think that government should be responsible for national issues for instance taxes, healthcare, and education. Individual’s responsibilities should be to live up to and follow what the government provides us. Because I believe in freedom and democracy the government cannot force us to follow them exactly how they are written. I see them as guidelines and that they are strongly recommended. When it comes to church and state, they should be two completely different systems. The government should have no influence on church. Free speech and religion obviously falls under church therefore the government should have no say in it. In society there is class system and sometimes it can benefit us if everyone had the same income then you do not get the money you deserve for a job that requires hard work. If you think about it if everyone was wealthy then there would be inflation thus everyone would become poor (I hope that makes sense). So having a class system can benefit us.
From the candidate quiz I was surprised because it said that I strongly supported John McCain who is a republican and I always thought I was a democrat. Yet some of the questions I really didn’t know how to answer for instance healthcare and tax reform because I’m not too familiar with those issues in the upcoming election so therefore it’s probably not exact.

Malik B. 4 said...

I think the government's overall purpose is to protect its citizens. Government is a system used to keep order in a society and hold people accountable for their actions. After answering the candidate questions I realized that my views best fit those of John McCain. I wasn't necessarily surprised that my views fit McCain's, because I am unable to vote so I haven't taken a side on the election. The questions also made me realize what issues are important in our society right now and seemed to be a preparation for the next election which I will be eligible for. I did notice that I didn't recognize some of the candidates. I was wondering if it had anything to do with the fact that all of the candidates don't appear on ballots in all states, meaning they wouldn't bother campaigning there.

Jillann C 2 said...

1. In my opinion, I think the government should finance services in people’s lives like healthcare, education, and some home expenses. This is because the government should care about the people that have to live under their laws and the people should have the ability to get financing from the government for their day-to-day lives.
2. When it comes to religion, the government should let the people believe in whatever religion they want to. However, if religion becomes a problem in the nation and causes various things like segregations and anger, the government should intervene with religion.
3. There are definitely advantages and disadvantages in having a class system because most classes are split up by financial positions and income of people. The advantages and disadvantages lie in the fact that people that are in a higher class have more advantages and people in a lower class have disadvantages. This is basically because whether the people can afford various items. If we were all the same “class’. I think the world would be a lot more equal just because of the fact that people with more money wouldn’t feel cocky or more powerful over people that don’t have a s much money. I also think by only having one “class”, it would abolish many disputes and segregations within the world.
4. My top candidate for president was Mitt Romney. From my research, I found out that he is a republican who wants to end illegal immigration, wants to decrease healthcare costs, and to improve the economy of our schools. After researching his beliefs for government and the future of the nation, I am not surprised that my beliefs were matched with Mitt Romney because I agreed with many beliefs that he had too.

evelyn L 2 said...

I also, as well dont really know about the governments "huge" role in peoples lives. The services the government should take responsibility in helping others to have should be education, health care, and anything thats helps our lives to become further more enriched.

I agree with Aaron and Marissa's P.O.V when they say that government should not be involved when it comes to a persons religion, or freedom of speech. How can they interfere on what we think, if its FREEDOM of speech it should stay like that, unless it harms someone. When it gets to that, the government should come in play and take charge on whats being said or done.

If we weer all the same "class" I think many problems would arise on people thinking other people should deserve more because the number of children or humans they take care of by themselves, so therefore they deserve a higher wage to be able to take care of them. Unlike someone with only one or no children.

Mr. Walsh said...

I think it is going to be interesting this week now realizing that we are coming from a varied diversity of political opinion.

I'm interested in how some of you view class. Do you see anything about class in Animal Farm so far?

Elaine T 4 said...

The government’s role in people’s lives should protect their individual rights and should sometimes pay for certain services. I think the government should pay for healthcare and education because not everyone can afford these, and these two services are a necessity in surviving in the world these days. Without education, it’s hard for one to strive and do well in society. Without education, it’s harder for one to find a job, earn money and support themselves. If the government paid for education, people could learn basic skills that they’ll need in society and then, in return they pay back that money by paying taxes. Also, the government should pay for healthcare because everyone gets sick and gets into accidents. Without healthcare, it’s harder to get back on your feet when one hits trouble. If one cant get back on their feet after an accident, they can’t work and then they can’t pay their taxes so in the end, the government and the person suffers. If the government pays for healthcare, then in the end, they still get the money back through taxes.

Also I think the government shouldn’t interfere with moral issues. If the government gets involved with religion, speech, orientation and such, then they’re violating the people’s rights which is also violating the Declaration of Independence. I don’t think there’s a time when the government should interfere with moral issues because its only interfering with people’s opinions. The government shouldn’t control the people and the way they feel but should protect them and guide them. (Guide them as in keep them in line. Keep the people from committing crimes and guide them onto the path of righteousness.)

Trang T 2 said...
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Trang T 2 said...

I believe that the government plays an important role in people’s lives and it’s the main key in establishing and organizing society. It sets up rules and other several commandments for citizens to obey in order to for them control and keep this society peacefully. They’re also in charge in enforcing the law. Without the government, this community would be chaos and we, the people would live in violence. However, some people still argue and debate if the government is really for people or for their own benefits. We have responsibility to pay taxes and they take that money to provide us public school, healthcare and other issues and it’s a positive aspect that our children could go to school. In the other hand, the government shouldn’t take advances of that opportunity in order to pay for wasteful wars and their own benefits. They shouldn’t interfere much in our moral issues such as religion and culture. I agree with Chloe that having a class system is not our decision but it’s made by our efforts. I have the same opinion with Belinda that class systems help us to define our goals in life and what we want to achieve. It reminds me of the philosophy of social Darwinism that I learned in history “...Stronger people would prosper and the weaker ones would fail.” People live in this world without competing; it would be boring and no need for efforts. I took a quiz and my candidate was Hilary Clinton. I was not surprised but instead I totally support her for running President 2008.

Andy T. 4 said...

I think the government’s purpose is to protect the people and help us with certain things. I think that education is something the government should pay for all people who are wanting to learn. Health care should also be covered and should be made affordable for those who don’t have enough money. When it comes to moral issues, I don’t think the government has a right to be involved but the government has a right to stop that person if there moral issues are going to harm someone else. When I answered the candidates question, I matched up with Dennis Kucinich. I don't know much about him but if i could vote, I would probably vote for him seeing that my opinions match up with his.

Ashley N. 4 said...

I'm addressing the third question Mr. Walsh asked on the original post. Although the idea of having no class system, having everyone be equal, no poverty, etc. seems like a wonderful idea, it really isn't. That's basically communism. It is communism basically, where everyone is equal, all that. To my knowledge, all the countries that practiced communism did not fare so well. It's easier said than done, really.

Ashley N. 4 said...

My post keeps getting cut off because I keep forgetting to highlight the whole thing. I mostly agree with what Belinda said about "I also believe that immigrants are the same, if they worked hard instead of telling themselves that they can't speak english and that they will never learn, there are other ways like living in a community where it is more populated with the same religion, or going to immigrant schools to learn a skill like hair or nail." My parents came over here, seperately, as refugees, and by themselves. They literally had no one, but they worked through it and eventually we ended up here. A lot of my mom's friends didn't try at all, and they mostly just abuse the welfare system and live off of that.

Trang T 2 said...

I totally agree for what Ashley had said. Some people take advantage of welfare and they don’t need to pay anything for rent or food, even though they have job but it’s money paid under table for what I’ve known. And obviously the government doesn’t know about this. Somehow I think that it’s unfair because we have to pay taxes while those people don’t.

nashally t 2 said...

I think the goverment should help us all with all those kind of services. A lot of people in the U.S can barely afford health care and other things. The government should begin to raise more money to cover that for everyone mostly for the not so wealthy. The government shouldnt really get involved in religion. There are soo many types of religions in the U.S and would be tough to have control over that as well. It is very disadvantaging of having class levels. But the people in the upper class most have worked hard for their fortune and others just got it handed to them. A lot of people in the lower class also work hard to get to the top and can never get there. So maybe it would be better to have all one class but it will be unfair to many people. The canidates that matched up with my questions were Dennis Kucinich, Bill Richardson, and John Edwards. I honestly never heard of them. I actually thought it was Obama and Clinton running but I was wrong. I dont understand government so much. I kind of get lost when its mention so i dont usually pick it as a topic to speak of. But with things i see such as poverty and war, the government needs to step up and do some more.

Jillian D 2 said...

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The government’s position when it comes to religion is that the government should stay out of it. Like if a public place wants to put up a cross, or a menorah they should be able to because of freedom of speech. I don’t think people should get offended either if places put up on thing and not the other. Considering that most places that put up things are privately owned. Also this whole thing with Santa Claus being “jolly” and “fat” and showing kids a wrong picture. I hate how people pull things apart. Also there is no more cookie monster, now he is the “Veggie Monster” I think that that is so stupid. Those are times when government should keep their mouths shut. Times when the government should say something is when in the case of the British school teacher teaching in Saudi Arabia, she had named a teddy bear Mohammed and they took it to offence and now they are going to stone her to death because of it. Those are times in which our government should say something to them because it wasn’t like she was up to no good. Our government should also speck up when an innocent person goes to jail for a long time.

Jess L 2 said...

I am in the same position as a lot of other students because I also have to say that I don't know that much about politics and the government. I do know that the government is supposed to take care of and look out for the best interests of the people. However, in some cases, it seems that the government is not looking out for the well being of the people, like when it interferes with some moral issues like same sex marriage, etc. I think that the government should let the people live their own lifestyle, because that is true freedom, and not set limits on their life, religion, etc.

When it comes to our economic lives, I think the government should be a part of some aspects but stay out of others. I think that when it comes to healthcare and education, the government should help out some of the people who really can't afford it. However, there should be limits, so we don't have unproductive members of society who live off of the government's money and don't do anything while other people work hard for their paycheck. When it comes to education, I think everyone should have equal opportunities to learn. Just because someone can't afford to have an education and better themselves does not mean that they should be denied it, in my opinion.

Martin D 2 said...

I agree with Ashley on the fact that the idea of communism had never been successful. Although, the advantages of the equality among the classes are more appealing to the poor, since they struggle in their daily lives to just meet ends meet or not have anything at all. The wealthy would oppose such a system since they are already living the good life and do not want to be categorized in the same class of a poor person. Most social systems generally apply to these two classes and not the middle class, the workers, who most of us are.

Jessica F 2 said...

Government should have something to do with the services of healthcare and education and other things. People are responsible for what they choice to do but letting someone not get education or healthcare is wrong. Some people don’t have the money for it. The people that at least try to take care of themselves but just can’t make it on their own should be able to get help from the government.

Martin D 2 said...

After playing the matching game, it turns out that Mitt Romney, a name I have heard many times before, is the ideal candidate to become president. His views and opinions fit most of mine, which is good. The only thing I knew about him, originally, was that he was a Republican and the former governor of Massachusetts. Upon my research, I found out that he fought to reduce the $3 billion deficit to $1.2 billion in which I thought was an astounding accomplishment as well as the fact that he “want[ed] to end illegal immigration, want[ed] to decrease healthcare costs, and to improve the economy of our schools, which was the same as what Jillann had discovered.

Kim C 2 said...

As some people have said previously, I don’t know too much about the government as well. I heard from somewhere that I don’t remember of, that Canada provides free healthcare for people; I think the U.S. government should do the same. I agree with Jennifer that people with financial difficulties can’t really afford to go to the doctors or afford medical care. Some people may also find it struggling to pay for their health insurance. The advantage of having a class system is that people will know who is qualified for financial aids; someone with a high income will not receive the financial aid as someone with low income. Also, government and religion are two separate subjects; I think that the government shouldn’t be too involved with religion. This is not too related to the topic, but “The Pledge of Allegiance”, there is one line where it says “one nation under God”. I’m not too sure is it necessary to include “under God” in “The Pledge of Allegiance”, but I think sometimes that this makes it difficult for people who don’t believe in God.

Martin D 2 said...

I just wanted add that there are some issues that I don't agree with Romney, just to clear things up, since people have been bugging me about.

Mr. Walsh said...

I just wanted to point out that the USA Today poll doesn't ask about several issues, or about leadership or personality.

So, we should all understand that in no way should this poll determine your political belief for now or in the future.

I like the insight you are brining and your references to issues such as Canada's national health care, etc.

keep it up.

Martin D 2 said...

In Animal Farm, you can see that the animals have set up there own government, after Mr. and Mrs. Jones had been driven off the farm. The Seven Commandments would be their sort of constitution. All of the animals seem to have their own separate jobs. For example, the ducks and hens help out in harvesting the hay, so they would be considered to be a part of working middle class. I’m not so sure if the lower or upper class applies in this case, though. Although, all the animals are supposed to be equal, the pigs take over as leaders, (like presidents?), it is seen as appropriate and natural for them, since they know more (reading/writing) and should direct and supervise the others.

Hillary D 2 said...

In my opinion, the governmen should only help out families that are really in need such as
families with special needs members or if they're suffering financially. The government
help some families that i think are "lazy". I know and heard of a couple that just stay at home and let the government take care of everything for them. They are on welfare and don't even have jobs (and they don't even try to get jobs either)! I think it's really unfair that the city has to work hard and take care of these people. Of course, I'm not really aware of government issues and all and don't know what to do about this.
There are many advantages in having a class system, in my opinion. Students that need to go at slower paces have their own class to stay with and the same with students who can take more work. No one would have to be left behind wih their own class. If all students were in the same class then some would be held back from performing how much more they can do. It would lag that group. I think George Bush's policy of "No child gets left behind" is a good start at trying to encouragestudents to try harder. The US is "trailing" behind other countries (in terms of grades). If students tried harder then the class system would be broken so that people that disapproved of the system would not have anything to be against. I think it all depends on the students.
For the game, I got Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and Bill Richardson. I didn't really understand some of the questions because I'm not into politics and didn't know how to answer 1 or 2 of them. I heard of Mitt Romney before, I just forget =] My candidates had very similar views to myself. Yep, I like my candidates...

Hillary D 2 said...

and......

i also realized that the game didn't talk about abortion and such and I think that's an important issue. That could change everything for me.

Kellie L 4 said...

In my opinion, government should not be involved with any religion or speech related topics. I think that religion and speech are rights that people have and the government shouldn’t get involved or try to control any of it, the government already controls most of our lives. Honestly, I’ve never paid attention to the government. But, I do think that the government should be able to pay for all services. I think this because the government should be in charge of expenses because of the taxes we pay. Also, by taking the quiz, I got Hilary Clinton, Chris Dodd, and Mike Gravel. These results really didn’t effect me because I’m really not interested in government, but I was shocked that I got Hilary Clinton because she is the only woman in the race.

::HebaK:: 4 said...

I agree with Amir, it is the governments responsibility to serve us for they have created this nation. They are responsible for our well being. Government should pay for healthcare or at least have one type of healthcare for everyone with reasonable amount of insurance. Government should pay for problems in the U.S. like unemployment.
The quiz that I took said that the best candidate that represents me is John Edwards. I agree, his views on immigration and Iraq are the same as mines.

laura b said...

1) What should the government's role be in people lives? Should the government pay for all services (healthcare, education, etc.) or are those things individual responsibilities?

i think goverment's role in people lives should keep people save and make orde, but not tell people how to leave their life. i think goverment does the right thing by paying for the services becuase most of us would not be able to pay for does things. If education wasn't payed by the goverment alot of kids would not get an education and if people didn't get help with health problems there would be a higher death rate.

Martin D 2 said...

Well actually, public education is paid for through taxes and not by the government directly.

Ashley N. 4 said...

I think that if the whole idea of the concept of the government was clarified people would vote more wisely. Like, for example, a lot of people have previously stated that they don't know much about the government and this is only in the two english classes Mr. Walsh has. Imagine how many people out in America who don't know who they're voting for, or don't vote at all because of their lack of knowledge.
Government related things is not the most intresting topic, in fact it's rather dry in my opinion. I think that if it were to be presented in a more attractive way, people would think twice about who they're voting for, or actually vote. I know a lot of my older friends are voting for Barack Obama next year because there's a shirt in Urban Outfitters that says, 'Obama to your Mama' and it's an amusing shirt, so therefore they're voting for him. I find it funny, because I've read up on Barack for an article I had to do, and I think that a couple of my friends are completley against his political views.
It worked with global warming, you know? Like, before Al Gore and 'An Inconvient Truth' weather and global warming were such dull topics to talk about, but now it's being casually incorporated into everyday conversations.

But honestly, this is just my opinion. I find politics boring, maybe you guys don't.

Mr. Walsh said...

I find Ashley's point interesting about government/politics being "dry". What would make it more appealing? The candidates? The format of how the issues are discussed? Or making the issues more relevant?

What do you think?

Ashley N. 4 said...

I have to start learning how to highlight everything.
This was supposed to be added onto my last post:

I think that
-political views of canidates should be made clear, so that people are not just voting on how much publicity each canidate has, like my friends.
-the whole idea of what the government does and maybe even what it is should be cleared up too. I've grown up thinking that government was a bunch of men and women in suits sitting at a long table, or whatever, but I never knew what it actually was, or what it did.
-political topics should be more appealing so that people would be more inclined to vote.

Amir Q. 4 said...

What Ashley said is a major issue in the elections. People do not really know who they are voting for or what their candidate stands for. They are fed bias information by the media and they then go out to vote for that person, unaware of any negatives or such things that they may disagree on. Also the use of funny slogans and celebrities(such as Ophra campaigning for Barak Obama and Chuck Norris campaigning for Mike Huckabee)can also sway voters to the politicians side without the voters knowing what that person stands for.

Martin D 2 said...

I find that Ashley and Amir made some very good points. I know very little about politics/government as well. It may be boring, but is very important for our future. I think that if someone were to vote, their choices should be based solely on solid reasoning of why and not too just vote for someone just because of their similarities in race, gender, or religion, in comparison to your own. The right of voting is a privilege and should not be abused.

DAvid T 2 said...

I agree with Martin, Amir, and Ashley that our votes should not be based on people's race and gender. I'm not sure what government really is. I've always been confused by it. But, I think that government is there to keep things in order. It creates a system for us to follow. Without a government, I think that things would get out of hand and we would destroy ourselves.

and...apparently I'm like John McCain.

DAvid T 2 said...

I also think that the government shouldn't get involved in other people's religion. Most immigrants that came to the US came to practice their religion freely. It's the people's right to practice what they believe. But, I think there could be exceptions to when a government should interfere with religious practice if their are deaths related to a religious practice.

henry d:2 said...

I agree with your opinion on voting Martin. Yet most people just don’t have voting on their top priority list. Some even stand by their party regardless if the candidate is suitable for presidency. In the 2000 election about only 52 percent of Americans voted that were eligible. We are missing half of America that were eligible of voting, that surely would have made a difference. The election quiz was quite funny, I was for the war yet in the end they chose Dennis Kucinich.

jimmy v. 2 said...

've always thought government/poltics were dry also. A while go I saw a debate between Bush and Kerry. It was so boring and confusing that I decided political/governmental things were uninteresting. Now, I understand them a little better and I like seeing canidates' views and ways theyd try to fix problems in America.
I watched parts of a democratic presidential debate on youtube and It was pretty easy to understand. The issues were relevent to the U.S's situation now with immigration,the war, and insurance, etc. I thought it was pretty interesting. I liked how Obama said that to root out terrorist networks we'd need the cooperation of other nations and the Bush administration is not doing a good job with strengthening ties due to the war and such. To me the war was not needed and uncalled for. If anything it put the U.S. in a bad spot with other nations and how they see us.
This was the beginning( Its like 75% intro. Just skip it and look for other parts): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIYfu6RIZoE

Also, I think that Hiliary Clinton being a candidate for president makes this election more interesting. Only because she'd be the first woman president for the U.S. A lot of other nations have had a woman president/ruler..etc and I think it's sad that we've been so slow to get more women running for the top seat.

Thanh N. 4 said...

I think the government has a big role on our society. Without them, we would be all over the place. I do believe that the government should pay for all the health insurances, education and so on. There are a lot of people that are having financial problems, so what bad thing could happen if they paid. However, the government should have no say in moral issues, unless it's affecting the world in some way. The religion that the people have is what makes them an individual group. I don't think everyone should be the same. If a type of religion does affect the world, the government should try to change it's ways to make it less harmful.

Having a class system does have its advantages and disadvantages. I think the advantages of the class system is that it distinguishes what type of person you are. For example, if you're rich, people would see you as a highly educated person, whereas if you're poor, peopl does not have high expectations of you. The disadvantage however, would be discrimination. The higher class would always look down upon the others and there would be no respect. If everyone was to be in the same "class" then maybe there wouldn't be any discrimination problems. I don't think it would ever be possible, but if it was to happen, the world would be better.

casey w. 4 said...

Discussions about views on goverment ususally ends in a argument along with relgion so i usuallt try to avoid getting into politics with people.However just by reading the first chapter of Animal Farm my views have shifted on goverment. When i was little i thought capitlism was the best type of goverment a country could have becasue i grew up around it. Then when i read Mr. Jones speech i reaized there are probably many workers in our world today who is feeling the same way as Mr. Jones. I like the whole idea of communism becasue everyone is equal and the people have more of say on what goes on in the goverment. I do not think that this country would work if we changed to communism becasue there is alot of diversity in this country and the more diversty a country has the more ideas and opinions are being thrown and that is why it our country needs a president so we have some sort of organization. An ideal country would run a communist where everyone is treated equal but in reality it would be a challenge to keep a sucssuful country with no leadership.

Herman T 2 said...

I’ve never thought about the government that much. However the government provides us with many features. These features include healthcare, common defense, and education. The government does pay for everything through our taxes. Our taxes provide us with the many needs we need. So basically we, the people are paying the government for these needs and it is the government’s responsibility to help those who help themselves. The government doesn’t do anything about speech or religion sometimes unless it seems offensive, then the government will take action against that person. I believe that if we had the “class system” or communism, then we would have less acts of violence and everyone would be happy the way that they are since they are all equal. The advantages from communism are having a utopia and equality amongst jobs and wealth. However, there are people that think that they are better than everyone else. Also, if we were all equal then nobody would strive to be better than they can since they are all equal.
The quiz informed me that I was most like Barack Obama. I wasn’t really surprised since I care a lot about healthcare as well. Healthcare is what stands out to me the most. I find that if the U.S. had better healthcare (more affordable) then there won’t be that much sick people. Barack Obama also stood out because he is the first African American to run for president.

Lynn T. 4 said...

1) What should the government's role be in people lives? Should the government pay for all services (healthcare, education, etc.) or are those things individual responsibilities?
Honestly, I have no idea. I don’t know what the government is and not is involved with currently. Right now, I’m content with whatever they are paying for, because I don’t know what they are paying for. I think the government should be involved if people needed help desperately.


2) When in comes to moral issues (religion, speech, etc.), what should be the government's position? Are there times when the government should get involved or not get involved?
No, Religion is people’s freedom of expression. People should be able to take part in any rituals or customs that are a part of their religion. However, if their religion were to hurt others, than I think the government should interfere. But the question is… How do you know when somebody is getting hurt, and do you have the right to find out? Except, I remember in 7th grade my teacher was talking about everyone pledge allegiance to the flag. I think if you do not want to, you shouldn’t have to, but you should show respect.


3) Are the advantages or disadvantages in having a class system? What would it be like if we all were the same "class"?
I think if we were all the same class than it life would be less efficient. People work hard and try to improve. If there were no classes, everyone would be mediocre because they were already the best that they could be, no one would try to better, and there would be no advances. If some people didn’t try to stand out or be different and better, where would be world be? If that is the world you like, where everyone is just the same, and everyone is just content than that is the advantage.

Lynn T. 4 said...

I got Dennis Kucinich, who is a democrat. I never heard of him.
However, it might be slightly incorrect because although I tried my best to take the quiz, I didn't understand the questions for Health care, or tax reforms.
However, Mr. Dennis is anti-war, which i agree with.
The people that share the same candidate with me, I was actually surprised that we got the same results.

Victoria P. 4 said...

The government may be looked at by some people as controlling and demanding, and although I have never really given it much thought I do agree that the government helps us with many things people go through. communism plays a big role in linking Animal Farm and the government together. I feel that communism is a great idea but would fail dramatically within our country because when every one is considered equal we do not have a ruler to set guidelines and rules for our country. Without these laws we could have many problems facing our safety and others safety as well. Although communism is a good idea, it would create an even bigger mess that what a president could do.

sandy j 2 said...

The government should be here to help out the citizens of its country. It shouldn't only do things that affect the country in a negative way like, making taxes or higer or putting people in prison, it should help with the poor too. The government should fund with healthcare, education and all the other things. It should be a source that people know they can refer to. I don't think the government should take part in moral issues because it doen't fit their job description. To me, when i hear the word government, i think political issues and presidential issues also. The disadvantages in having a class system is that peole feel superior to others. They look down upon them and they treat them like they're so beneath them. The high class peple sometimes don't help with the issues that they can help with. They have plenty of money, but they only keep it to themselves. The advantage of having different class is (although i might contradict themselves) that different class of people work for what they have. The people in the higher class ranks themselves and there's just some people they wouldn't encounter with. It would be eccentric if every one was the same class because then everything would be robotic. There'll be no competition, and no ambition for people to work harder. I wasn't surprised or shocked when i saw my results because i always considered myself a democrat. Democrats help the lower class and care a little bit more about local issues.