Tuesday, January 22, 2008

Period 2 - It's Kind of a Funny Story


Jennifer
Herman
Evelyn
Trang

Feb. 1 - 1-181
Feb. 7 - 182-349
Feb. 14 - To the end


Please post by 8 p.m. prior to the discussion date.

20 comments:

Herman T 2 said...
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Herman T 2 said...

Craig Gilner is a more messed up version of Holden Caulfield because they are both depressed and they both have weird characteristics. Craig went through a lot because of his multiple disorders. Craig has an eating disorder that is kind of scary because in the scene where his mom made squash, chicken and rice, Craig wanted to eat it and he tried to force himself to eat it. After he got to the 5th bite he was full, and yet he tries for a 6th bite and he starts to sweat which resulted in him running to the bathroom and vomiting it all out. Craig did mention something about his stomach of how it rejects food because it closes up.
Then there was the depression which I consider as the “ultimate level of depression.” His depression is basically weird compared to other depressed characters I’ve read about. He wants to get better at times and then there are times where he doesn’t. Even on Zoloft, I don’t think Craig is going to improve because he stopped taking the pills even though he knows that he still needs it. Craig could be just accepting the fact that he can’t deal with his depression, but then why would he check himself into the emergency room after he called the suicide hotline? Craig is a fascinating character that I think I will enjoy because of his alter-ego. One side is the competitive side in which he tries to become smarter and outsmart the other kids in whom he thinks is impossible, and then there is the other side where he gets these moments of “Cycling” and the army voice.

Craig is crazy =]

Can we add sutff in another post if we forget to post it before?
or does that count as double posting?

Trang T 2 said...

For me, right at the beginning, Craig mentions about how hard it is to kill oneself. And i guess that later on in the story would mention about suicide and silly actions. But yeah, i agree with you that Craig is crazy but i think he's really smart. He's concerned about his future and what he wants to be when he grows up. I have some friends that also have eating disorder too, and i don't know why teeangers do that?
When he wants to commit suicide, i was surprised that he decided to go the hospital because when someone wants to die, he/she just does it without letting anyone know. I think Craig is innocent and doesn't know much about life...

evelyn L 2 said...

I like this book and think it might relate to a lot of teens that may have family problems, social problems or just any problems I guess. In the beginning of the book notice that we never really know what triggered his disorder, and how it actually happened.

In my opinion I don't think there was an actual action that caused it all, because in the scene where him and Aaron are walking on the bridge late at night after th party, he just randomly wanted to walk out onto the ledge to oversee the water. he knew it was dangerous, but I think it was like an early symptom. This also goes with the isolation he felt at the party not wanting to join in things and situations.

And even if the action that caused it hasn't been mentioned, Craig seem s to be waiting for some kind of shift.
What do you guys think the shift will change in his life, from the way we see it now??

But in the midst of his confusing actions I came to like this book so far. Hopefully the ending isn't bad, hahha.

Jeniffer M 2 said...

well, one thing that I found interesting about Craig is that he and I think similarly. I found many connections between him and I, which I guess could be viewed in the positive aspects and the negative aspects. I find it interesting how Ned Vizzini, the writer, had spent five days in a mental ward, and a week afterwards, he had begun writing his book. I wonder if he and Craig are alike. I was very surprised at how the suicide hotline person, Keith, I believe, handled his situation so inconsiderately. Craig said something that realy stood out to me, he said "Keith sounds like he's just getting started with this whole conunseling thing. I picture a thin college-age guy with wire-rim glasses at a desk lit up with a samll reading lamp, looking out the window, nodding at the good deeds he's doing." This part really interests me because it shows how Keith isn't actually concerned at all with this person's life. I was worried that Craig would actually attempt suicide, if it got to that point, I don't know if I'd be able to continue that part, because it's something that isn't taken lightly and for me, I picture things in my brain as they go in, and picturing that in my brain wouldn't be very good. But so far, I am VERY glad I chose this book and I hope it stays this good. THe only thing I'm concerned with is that we're not even at the middle part yet and he's already in the mental ward. I just don't want the book to dry up and become boring because I'm liking it so much. (Makes me feel kinda crazy because I can relate to him SO MUCH! It's kind of scary how much we think alike.)

Mr. Walsh said...

Herman, repost - remember this should be a conversation.

Trang T 2 said...

Me too, i think I and Craig have things in common. Everytime im stressed out, i'd find a way to escape myself and want to be alone. I get my bike and ride around malden and other towns nearby. And Craig himself wants to escape to his own world. haha this book is related to 'A seperated peace' as well. Craig and Gene sometimes feel jealous with their best friends. remember Finny? yeah, im happy that i chose this book, it's very true about teens and how they behave with situations. i wonder what would Craig be at the end of this book...

Herman T 2 said...

Woops!
Umm I agree with Trang and Jennifer, Craig and I have similar thinking processes and thats what I like about Craig. He reminds me of myself, but I'm not depressed =]. I could go on all day reading about Craig. Craig is looking for ways out of problems in life, suicide. I look for ways out of problems as well and they don't seem as easy as they are. Suicide is more like the only option, but that is just my thinking since I can't really find ways out of problems but to confront them. If this makes no sense then I apologize, I had this idea and I lost it while doing my history homework... so... yeah...

Mr. Walsh said...

What elements of coming-of-age literature have you found so far? Theme of Exile? Maturation Process?

Trang T 2 said...

Hey guys,so finally Craig has spent his times at the hospital and i think there're many interesting things going on. Craig has encountered new people. He's being very helpful at the hospital. With his present, everyone around him seems to have a new company. He makes friend with Humble. Humble has made some good statements how he sees life. 'Im not afraid of dying, im afraid of living' and 'We're all animals..but some of us are more animals than others.' Humble has a very deep thoughts. About Craig, i think he's improving. He doesn't have any tentacles at this hospital. He tries to escape his daily life by ignoring his friends, he doesn't want them to come and visit him.
I like the new girl, Noelle. she's very kind with Craig. She's considered as Craig's anchor. On the other hand, i think Nia is his tentacle but he tries to hide it. He still wants to be with Nia.
On page 236, he said that 'it's not the Shift, but it's a shift. Do you know what the shift he is waiting for?

Herman T 2 said...
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Jeniffer M 2 said...

So, that was an interesting read. I read until page 370, mostly because I couldn't really find a good spot to stop but also because it was getting so good! So, I have so many perdiction questions! I wonder if Craig really will leave adult psychiatric on Thursday, or if something will happen that will make him stay for even longer. Also, if he does leave on Thursday, I wonder if he and Noelle will begin dating again? I think he should go with Noelle because she seems like the right girl for him, they're so alike, and Nia just seems like she wants everyone. I think his choice in women has some coming-of-age ordeal to it, because he went from liking Nia because she's attractive, to really liking her, to getting over her and liking Noelle, and then the part with Nia and him in the room really showed him how she was just in it for the physical entertainment and not because she liked him, as Noelle does. I find that his maturation process is really brought out when he spoke to Noelle. She might just be his anchor and Nia, his tentacle, as Trang said. I think I've figured out how to create this SHIFT that he needs, I just don't think it's possible. I think in order for him to create THE SHIFT, he needs to go to a regular school that doesn't have such intense work, he needs to be with Noelle and he must also steer clear from Aaron and his group of people. Or perhaps it's just Nia, seeing as how Aaron had apologized for the night that he was being a jerk. But yeah, one or the other, it's destined to work, because that's how he got started in these tentacles in the first place. Oh! And draw maps. Those maps seem to make everything better. They made him feel better when he went to art class and then it ameliorated his relationship with Noelle when he gave her one of the maps he made. So, the maps are a key aspect, and perhaps even a symbol?

Herman T 2 said...

*sigh* I didn't even know how to post my thoughts since I've read the entire book because I was sucked into the book. Going back to Trang's theory about the anchors and tentacles, I agree with Trang because there was the part in which Dr. Minverva tells Craig that he can't use these people as anchors, which shows that Craig is in fact, using the other patients as anchors. However, Dr. Minerva thinks that since the other people around him at the adult psychiatric are unstable, they can backfire on Craig's healing process. I'm trying not to write anymore because I have this feeling that I'll end up spoiling the book, but going back to Jennifer's entry about "he and Noelle will begin dating again?" I had a question when I read that part, Were they even considered a couple? Everyone around them thought that Craig's "gall" was Noelle, but Craig still has feelings for Nia. The feelings that he has for Nia appear to to stronger than Craig's feelings towards Noelle.

Herman T 2 said...

Going back to the shift.

On page 236, he said that 'it's not the Shift, but it's a shift. - Trang

Craig senses a shift, but it isn't "The Shift." Referring back to Jennifer's analysis about how to create the shift, how is that not possible?

evelyn L 2 said...

I FINISHED THE BOOK YOU GUYS !!!
pphheeww !! finally =]

I think the shift is what we can call "muturing" for Craig. Its not him changing drastically but also not him staying depressed the way he has been.
Herman when you talk about Craigs feelings toward Nia and Noelle, i think they are more true toward Noelle than Nia. To Nia i think he has more of LUST as a feeling. On the other hand with Noelle he has a closer connection actually understanding her.
This is proven in the scene where him and Nia just hooked up and he said that he likes making out with her but doesnt like her as a person. And the same goes for her as well.

And Noelle's feelings come out finally as well. Imediatly you can tell she has feelings for Craig when they have their 2nd "date" and she is ery upset. Confiding in Craig that him being with Nia really did bother her.

I REALLY LIKED THE BOOK <3

IF YOUR NOT FINISHED HURRY UP PEOPLE.. DONT MISS OUT ON THE CRAIG ACTION .. HAHHA !!

Trang T 2 said...

hey guys, i just finished the book this afternoon. i like the ending of the book. Craig is the one who heals Mudtada's mental illness. There's the shift that i think craig has been waiting for is Thinking about transfering to different school. Since the day he started Executive Pre-.., he was so stressful about his school stuffs. Dr Minerva recommended that Craig should follow school that offers his interest..like art. The final paragraph was actually funny for me that there were all verbs which were all the things that Craig intends to do after he gets out of the hospital. There're all his anchors.

evelyn L 2 said...

I don’t think Muqtada’s mental illness was actually cured…. But brought to a different level than what it was before. And Craig wanting to transfer schools, I don’t think is the actual shift, but a start of it. It was the end to the first beginning, and the beginning of another.

Since we all know that Craig being to how he used to be is a possibility, does anyone think that he might find new obstacles to deal with? Or anyone that can trigger him to his old ways??

Trang T 2 said...

Well Evelyn, this is a tricky question. But i think he might have to deal with his new obstacles because he now actually wants to transfer to Art school and i wonder if he would think that his decision is right or wrong. Or if he regrets and wants to come back to Executive school. On page 418, when he talks about Blade 2 (Dvd), the character in the movie, for me, somehow the hero symbolizes for Craig. The fact that he carries his sword on the back and walks around the city. He wants people to notice him but eventually he would end up hurting himself. LIke Craig, he wants to get attention...

Herman T 2 said...

Wow, now that we are all on the same page, let’s begin. On Trang’s last post, I think that Craig is going to enjoy Art School because remember how good he felt when Ebony was praising him on his Map/Brain picture? Craig might’ve come to realize that he can’t maintain the stress (tentacles) at Executive so he finds a school that gives him an anchor, Art School. Going back to Trang’s “He wants people to notice him but eventually he would end up hurting himself. Like Craig, he wants to get attention...” Are you sure?

Herman T 2 said...

I’ve just noticed how we all are wondering about Craig’s new path. I agree that he will have obstacles, but I think Craig can solve them by himself after that he has gone through. It also seems as if he is starting to like the “shrinks” more than he did before after everything that Dr. Minerva has done for him. Oh a quick question; Will Ned Vizzini make a sequel? Because I am looking forward to Craig’s life since a lot of people can relate to his life and his struggles.