Intellectual Musings of Mr. Walsh's Two Sophomore English Classes.
OMG! i love this book already. i think its amazing haha ! its defintly different from anyother book ive read. but i like it a lot. It all so has some intresting topics. i think that Charlie is going to have a hard time later in life it seems because everytime he walks into a room on something happening he gets told that "this can be our [Charlie and whoever's] little secret" i think that that is going to lead up to something that is going to make him a strange adult because like honestly if I had ever seen half the stuff that he has i would probably be a weirdo of an adult. omg this book is amazing and i can't wait to see what everyone else thinks about it!
Jillian, I completely agree with you. I love this book too! It’s so interesting, when I was reading it; I was like “I can’t believe I’m reading this book in an honors class.” I also agree with your comment that Charlie is going to have a hard time in life. He does walk on in a lot of stuff. Too much things happen to him, and he has to keep them bottled up inside because they’re “secrets.” It happened with his dad and Patrick. He’s definitely going to need some therapy when he grows up because right now at such a young age, he just has too much to deal with. The bigger issue is, his friend dying that was so sad and depressing. I had a connection to it because the other day me and my friends we were talking about what we would do if one of us died and I can’t even imagine that really happening but Charlie does and he goes through it. I just can’t wait to see what’s going to happen next, it’s one of those books that always keep you guessing and I like a good challenge.
Hello ladies. I just finished the first part of the book. I agree with both of u and love the book. As Charlie “would say this is my favorite book” since it is the most recent but it really is my favorite book so far. I like how the book gives a first person perspective to how it is coming into high school. Also I like how the book goes into so much detail, it may sound perverted but it does allow u to feel if you are actually there. I rarely use “making me want more”, but this book does, every time I stop reading I want to know what is going to happen next. As Sandy said, it does keep me guessing and I love that.
Since we are going to start looking at "coming-of-age" books, begin to explore how this book fits into that genre. Any connections to Catcher or Separate Peace?
Sorry guys, I know it’s after 8 pm right now, but I haven’t posted, so I guess I’ll post now, and post again later tonight or tomorrow. As all you guys have said, I love this book too. I like how everything entry or letter of his is so interesting, but Charlie seems to always be unhappy or thinks that other people are unhappy too. Also, I noticed that he always start his sentences with “incidentally” and say “infinite” a lot.
Yeah so this book is amazing. To compare him to Holden, like Charlie has seem to have been around sex a lot more like with the girl getting raped and her sister and BRAD AND PATRICK! omg thaat was a shocker. But anyways i think that Charlie now sees like sex, so it doesnt seem like he is going to grow up with out his mind growing up i guess. I still think its a little to early to make conclusions on this, but i think that he is going to grow up all messed up. What do you guys think?
Well to answer your question Jill I don’t think he will grow up all messed up. Even though these events happened to hi it is still way to soon to tell what he will be like as an adult. To answer Mr. Walsh, Charlie does read A Separate Peace so their is a connection right there. But really I think When his friend died he was alienated from the world until he met Patrick and Sam just all Holden felt his whole life. And Jill I dint undestand this part of your post, “But anyways i think that Charlie now sees like sex, so it doesnt seem like he is going to grow up with out his mind growing up i guess.”
What i meant was that he has seen sex, which Holden had never seen it. And like Holden is growing up, as in like his age is going up, but his mind doesn't want to grow up. I think with Charlie what's different because he doesn't seem to be as afraid of it. Aaron i agree with you. I think that Charlie has sperated himself from the world, but like when he met Patrick and Sam he kind of felt a friend, even though i dont think they are good matches for him.
I do connect Charlie’s character to Holden in the Catcher in the rye concerning Holden’s view about sex. He thought sex should be special, and he didn’t think people should just do it like that. When Charlie told Sam he had a sex dream about her, he said she was the only one he ever thought about that way. Charlie thought that Sam should be treated like royalty, because in his eyes, she was special. Holden had a girl who was special to her too, although I don’t remember her name. She was the only girl who he really thought positively about and he probably wanted to have sex with her.
I agree with all you guys, that Charlie is similar to Holden. They both have struggles during their teenage years. Both Charlie and Holden are like struggling with sex, adulthood, or coming of age. Also, both Charlie and Holden experienced how it is to lose a close friend/relative. Charlie’s best friend Michael died, and Holden’s brother Ally died. They both lost an important person in their life, which might have caused them to feel lonely and that no one understands them. I really wonder how this book will end, because even though Charlie and Holden are very similar, Holden was older than Charlie in The Catcher in the Rye, so things might be different for Charlie.
Kim - keeping going with your thoughts.As a group, what elements of coming-of-age literature have you found so far? Theme of Exile? Maturation Process?
This section of the book seemed to be very boring. i dont know why, it just was a little bit. It started to pick up a little bit when we found out that Charlie's aunt died on his birthday. I sort of figured that his aunt died on an important day in his life and that he was young when it happened. Charlie defently hasnt dealt wiht his feelings yet, not allowing him to grow up.
I don't agree with you jillian, i think this section of the book is actually sad and depressing. It's a part of his life and it has a lot to do with the way he is. i felt really bad for him and i could connect because my auntie died too.
It wasnt as intersting as in the first section we read. I also thought it was sad, but like nothing like that has ever happened to me. I have a question about this quote its on page 98. The quote says "I wrote YOUR address..." who is your because these letters arent written to anyone? i think that is weird. any ideas or predictions on who these letters are written to?
I sort of agree with you Jillian. But I know why it was boring, it was because Charlie was just with his family. Thier was no Sam or Patrick most of the time. Also these letters are to somebody, a real person, it has to be. Maybe at the end of the book we will find out.
I think that we will find out in the end too. And Aaron i never thought about it. Pat and Sam make everything more fun and the family is just boring. What do you think about Charlie and his Grandfather not being excited for Charlie's brother?
Maybe Charlie and his grandfather are not in awe with his brother because they have seen him play football all the time and are closer to him than anyone else in the family. What do any of you think about Sam giving Charlie love tips?
Aaron, i think that sam is a good friend and she's just trying to help him out. Obviously charlie doesn't like it very much because he's in love with sam. Guys you knnow how the sister's pregnant and everything? Only charlie knows besides her and her boyfriend. Do you guys think that it's because she does not have any friends or do you think it's becaus she loves charlie and she knows she can trust him. Aaron, my darling, to answer your questions from the discussion, they didn't have sex. Charlie said we did everything you can imagine from the stomach up.
Okay so i dont know whats going on when it comes to Charlie and Patrick. They were just like making out! that was so all of a sudden. I am no saying that it is gross but honestly i think that it was weird how they are friends and they jsut randomly made out with each other, and Charlie was like "i'm not gay". Aaron on page 126, i dont think they had sex, because it said for "the stomach up".
Yeah i hear both of you with the not having sex part, I was confused because after the stomach up part he went into a little more detail. And Jill I think Charlie just felt really bad for Patrick and he wanted Patrick to feel better by kissing another boy, but I agree it was odd.
its wicked odd. But i dont want to tell you the ending because i dont know if everyone finished, but i thought the ending was good. i couldnt put the book down! every thing starts to clear up though, and sam was right when it came to how Charlie just let things happen and didnt do anything about it.
Hey guys, sorry I forgot to post for the second part we had to read. Just to go back to the second part about the letters, before Charlie described how he “fell asleep outside” while mailing his letter, I thought that Charlie had split personality and that the letters he wrote were for himself. Now I don’t really think of it that way, but before that part where he was mailing the letter at the post office, I really thought all this time he had been writing the letters as if they were his journal entries. Who else will Charlie be writing to? Now Charlie has Sam and Patrick as friends, why would he still be writing to someone else? I guess it could be that they aren’t close enough for Charlie to share his personal feelings to them. Also, how did Charlie find “someone” to write to? He can’t just find someone out of nowhere and starts writing to that person. Maybe that person is a therapist?
Jillian, patrick needed a friend and charlie just helped him out by letting him kiss him. I didn't think it was really a romantic kiss per se. it was just a "brad is acting like a jerk and i need to get him off my mind type of kiss". He kept making out with him for security, he knows that charlie is a true friend and that he loves him, so making out with him felt good. odd but reassuring. He needed to feel the love during tha period of time in his life, even if it was not romantic.
I just finished the whole book so if you haven't don’t read this post.There is alot of information in Part4. It kind of got me sad, with people leaving and Charlie having to start over. But the crazy thing is his Aunt Helen, I never expected her to have been raping him. Who do you think the letters were too. I think it is sort of to the reader of this book. But mostly to whoever wants to listen, not to any character in the book because he talks about them with their name. But what do any of you think.
I haven't finished this book yet, but I agree with Sandy how Charlie lets Patrick kiss him for a friend kind of thing.
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